8 Essential Skills They Didn’t Teach You In School

Writer Dad says on August 15th, 2008 at 9:14 am

How to save and invest, certainly. That’s what my post is about today. Parents often don’t teach it and neither do schools. Children grow up and make big mistakes that they don’t need to.

Jenn says on August 15th, 2008 at 9:47 am

I won’t disagree that these are all useful (not sure about essential) skills. But I’d also argue that you probably DID learn something about at least the first three (networking, reading, time-management) in school, even if they weren’t the specific subject of a class. I recall recently coming across a term paper I wrote on U.S. foreign policy after World War II. Now, I can tell you NOTHING about U.S. foreign policy after World War II (though I got an A on the paper) but the *process* of writing that paper was a small part of why I am quite good at writing and research today.

One irony of what you say here is that whenever teachers do try to teach these skills, we get complaints from students – “what do you mean I’m getting graded on group participation, I thought this was an econ class!”

Also, as an economics teacher, I have to say I’m sorry that you apparently didn’t have very good economics teachers. I don’t agree that knowing how to read a financial statement is an essential skill but understanding the trade-offs that are inherent in every decision we make IS (and that would be the foundational skill for understanding the need to save/invest, how to negotiate, how to be successful in life).

Martin Prince says on August 15th, 2008 at 9:57 am

You say that speed reading and speed comprehension are real, what resources do you recommend to learn this skill? A quick search yields questionable links.

Mark says on August 15th, 2008 at 10:01 am

Bush went to Yale and Harvard

Shanel Yang says on August 15th, 2008 at 11:17 am

1. How to dress for success.
2. How to interview.
3. How to survive office politics.
4. How to climb the corporate ladder.
5. How to CYA.

To name but a few! Which is why I write about these topics on my blog under the “Easy Steps to Success with Work” category. : )

Ann at One Bag Nation says on August 15th, 2008 at 11:45 am

I definitely could have used help with time management in school, and still do! Same with money management.

I’ve read the David Allen book,and I have Eat that Frog on reserve from the library – looking forward to reading it.

I would also recommend Do It Now by Neil Fiore.

JimR says on August 15th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

This article reads like a self-help pamphlet – oversimplifying and misstating many issues.

Take the “How to make people like you and network” paragraph. I think the George Bush example is a good one, but you sort of twisted it around. Networking is the crutch of the incompetent. If you have some level of intelligence, you don’t need to have a lot “networking skills”. Talented people recognize other talented people and networking will come naturally (even for quiet people).

Next, take the “How to speed read and the power of audio books” section. This oversimplifies the process of learning. “Listen to an audio book in the car and you will have learned a semester’s worth of class!” People learn by doing, not by listening – hence the need for exams, homework, projects, and so on.

I really like this section: “How to be successful in life”. “[W]hat makes people happy and successful” are “health, wealth, and relationships”. Are you kidding me? Where do I start. First of all, you cannot equate happiness and success. If anything, these two usually go against each other. Wealth has very little to do with either success or happiness. Did you put any thought at all into this article?

Overall, a rubbish article and I hope no one takes it seriously.

VegeBrain says on August 15th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

For some years now I’ve been convinced that the two skills which are missing from schooling are critical thinking and memorization techniques.

Critical thinking is necessary in this age of misinformation to keep yourself from being ripped off. Having tried to acquire this skill on my own I can attest to it’s worth; it’s saved me from being tricked a lot of times.

In school you’re taught to memorize things, but never how to memorize. A lot of people in education will tell you that a good education doesn’t require memorizing much. I say nonsense; knowing how to memorize things well is an enormous help in life. There are just so many things to know that help you out and it’s so much more convenient to have them in your head rather having to look them up.

maxwell says on August 15th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

Speed Reading and comprehension are nice. If you do not had learning disabilities that make gaining such tools impossible. And these disabilities are real.

Additionally Passive incomes tend require fairly large sums of money to actually get.

Lastly these things would have increasingly less punch as more people know them. If everyone did this they would have no value. Sadly the basis for Capitalist Economics is the Scarcity of Resources. So if everyone did there probably would still be the same number of so called winners and losers. This is not a attack on Capitalism. However its a circumstance.

A world where everyone is taught to be Type A Personalities could be pretty scary.

Kevin K. says on August 15th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

(linkback) Cool or Boring? 8 essential skills they didn’t teach you in school [VOTE] – http://www.thriveorfail.com/24849

Brian Armstrong (StartBreakingFree.com) says on August 15th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

@Martin Prince – I used Peter Kump Breakthrough Rapid Reading, you can find it on Amazon it was pretty good

@Mark – thanks thats a typo! I meant to say Yale.

@Shanel Yang – great list I agree. What is CYA?

@ VegeBrain – you’re right, memorization is a big one, using mnemonics and all that.

The other one I forgot to mention is that they don’t teach you how to work in groups in school. They generally teach you to “to your own work” which isn’t how the real world is. Successful people surround themselves with smart people who complement their weaknesses. They are leaders and work in teams much more than they work on their own.

Thanks everyone for the comments!

Ragarnok says on August 15th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

Great List! I’m actually taking a year off MedSchool to work part time job to develop those specific skills, because of it I won’t finish MedSchool (+residencies etc…) before I am 32 but I thinks it’s really worth it! In my faculty we actually petitioned the Dean to have classes in Networking but he refused saying that “it was not worth the time”

cribcat says on August 15th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

You said a mouthful there. Our kids are being taught to be slaves and not think VS the real life issues.

Nick says on August 15th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

What are some speed reading books or sites you would recommend?

Prolific Programmer says on August 15th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

Notetaking and study skills should be a required course of all students at the grade school level. Also, a test-taking course is something I only took in my final semester in my undergraduate. It should have been required as part of the first semester or gap summer.

As for the bit about reading financial statements, you are under the (mistaken) assumption that education is designed to level the playing field. You must remember that schools are set up by those in power. Those in power don’t want to lose it, so schools teach only what is needed to be a laborer and not go beyond that. The minority of students who figure this out are allowed to enter the rich boys’ club — and they are mostly men, but the majority are kept as labourers.

Brad says on August 15th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

Two great books on negotiations (and relationships in general) : “Getting to Yes” and “Difficult Conversations.”

sir jorge says on August 15th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

Wow, I learned all of these things in school. So I guess this post is wrong.

My Life In a Cube says on August 15th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

Re: #1

I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!

Ryan Letourneau says on August 15th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

I couldn’t agree with you more Brian, especially on the first two. Schools apparently expect kids to teach themselves how to influence people and socialize well through recess/activities but this is too important of a skill to not have some formal mandatory instruction in place. The ability to communicate persuasively and make people like you can easily take you further than most other things taught in school. Ultimately rising the corporate ladder is as much about working with people as it is working with your otherwise learned skillsets.

r says on August 15th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

sounds like creating little business people! Silly really. Life is not about money which is what these point are all about.

John Stewart says on August 15th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

The truth they never taught me in school is that there is nothing that an “expert” knows that I can’t learn. That is, they don’t have an exclusive inroad to knowledge and wisdom.

susan says on August 15th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

As a dedicated teacher I am always taken aback at how popular it is to criticize teachers and the education system for failing. I teach elementary school, and frankly I am just excited when I actually see correct spelling and grammar on these threads. So, basic academic skills matter, and as a teacher that is my first job. We teachers do attempt to teach many, if not all, of the other skills on this list. There is endless discussion among us about teaching real world skills. But wait…When did this all become the responsibility of teachers? Let’s remember parents are the first and most influential teachers of their children. And as adults we are responsible for educating ourselves long after we leave any formal educational setting. This is a nice list of things to learn. So go for it, people. Learn what you need to learn. Take responsibility for your lives, but drop the blaming/ victim attitude towards schools. At the end of the day, you are in charge of your own success or failure, not your teachers.

Rick Barker says on August 15th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

several great books i have been reading lately:

Dale Carnegie-How to win friends and influence people

Gary Chapman-The 5 Love Languages

Dr. Steve W Price-Household Gold

Author Unknown-The Slight Edge

Kate says on August 16th, 2008 at 1:56 am

These are definitely all important. However, I would have to agree with Jenn that these, for the most part, are all taught in school, in some way, shape, or form. It may not stand out to you, but they are. Additionally, you mentioned grouping, and this is now a very big thing done in schools. Students are constantly working in groups for activities, projects, all the core subjects. I think, if anything, the teachers today are trying to gear education more towards what would be necessary and essential to use in life, rather than to “slave” them as someone said into mundane and useless information. Although later in life, we look back and think, ‘hey I really wish I had learned this or that, why didn’t I learn that?’ I think typically, we WERE taught the general concept or idea, but obviously not the specifics which pertain to our individual fields of interest.

anna says on August 16th, 2008 at 2:32 am

i don’t know, i never really saw school as a place for being taught life skills. everybody operates differently, so these things won’t function properly in a standardized curriculum. introverts shouldn’t be trained to be extroverted, that’d be like forcing a left-handed child to write with his right hand. there are as many paths to as definitions of success. they can’t possibly all be taught. let’s make schools places to gather knowledge, and let the real world be the source of one’s experience.

Red3Delta says on August 16th, 2008 at 2:44 am

I like the list, especially the parts about financial statements and teaching kids about being financially responsible. I could have saved myself a lot of headaches.

Lilliput says on August 16th, 2008 at 4:22 am

Correct English grammar, foreign languages, and mythology. In other words, the classics, without which a person cannot be truly educated. (I don’t care how much money a person makes…if he or she doesn’t know the difference between “its” and “it’s” or “then” and “than,” to me, they know nothing.)

I’m married to a man who speaks 5 languages fluently, plus he speaks & writes English better than any American or Brit I’ve ever met. He was taught Greek, Roman, AND Nordic mythology–combined with geography and history–since 2nd grade. All this was in a tiny third-world country, where he & others are taught social skills at their mother’s knee. Admittedly, he attended private schools, not public.

“How to make people like you,” at the top of Brian’s list, is often thought of as a feminine issue, and is therefore devalued in the U.S., as is “learning to work in groups.”

To VegeBrain: critical thinking is much more than being wary or defensive. It really is analytical thinking, or relating and connecting different areas of knowledge and facts.

Thawat2 says on August 16th, 2008 at 4:35 am

I think ! It was very intresting

J S says on August 16th, 2008 at 8:48 am

Looks like you don’t realize you achieved one other lesson from college – how to teach yourself! Could you have been as proficient at doing something new by “just picking up a couple of books” had you stopped at high school?

Not all colleges and programs are created equal – how did the Engineering or Medicine tracks compare to a Liberal Arts degree? Going one program further, getting an MBA will tour you through all these missed topics. Best bet is to get a technical undergrad degree like Engineering and then an MBA to round out the business side. It’s hard and not for everyone though.

Many of these lessons are more important for the wild-west entrepreneur set than the majority of mid to large size corporate denizens. Having both lived in and interacted with both environments (I own my own company these days) there is a different mindset between the two groups. Most schools and colleges are really “big corporations” and train for that same environment – so they skip many of the subjects that are important to startups and freelancers.

C Smith says on August 16th, 2008 at 11:14 am

It seems that many people get into leadership positions because they have good networking skills but not much else. It would be nice to see these people bone up on the more useful skills.

Liz Weston says on August 16th, 2008 at 11:16 am

Good ideas here, but “95% of our population retiring at or below the poverty level”??? The poverty rate for seniors in the U.S. is closer to 10%. It’s about 18% for children. The evidence that most folks aren’t saving enough for retirement is pretty good, but they aren’t gonna be eating cat food.

Brian Armstrong (StartBreakingFree.com) says on August 16th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

@Liz Weston – you’re right I’m starting to doubt that figure since reading it. I think its based on their income level, but doesn’t take into account savings? Not sure. Regardless, it would still be nice to pass on something to future generations and not have to spend all savings in retirement. That statement could be unnecessarily inflammatory though.

@J S – I think you’re right that our school system adequately prepares people to be worker drones in a large companies, but that is part of the problem. They would be much more likely to become leaders within a large organization or start their own with the above skills. Also, I agree with you that one side-effect of school is it teaches you to learn things quickly on your own which is great. It is perhaps the one saving grace of the counter-effect of school which gives people a real distaste for education.

Brian Armstrong (StartBreakingFree.com) says on August 16th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

@ anna – I’m a natural introvert and made a concerted effort for about 4 years to fix that because it holds you back in life. I actually got a job bar-tending just because it would force me to get good at talking to strangers. I don’t think you should force people to be what they don’t want to be, but if school is not there to help us become successful at whatever we want to achieve in life, then I don’t see its purpose. Being educated just for education sake has little value.

@ susan – good point

jardel says on August 16th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

i loved the post and the links, i’ve saved some to read later, but i would like to disagree in some points.

Almost all of these skills are money-focused.

Networking is to get a job, is kinda idiot if you think deeply, you are going to make “friends” to use then for your work purposes, nothing more.

financial statements, contracts, marketing also too much capitalism focused for kids to learn at school IMHO. School teach the basics, even if you don’t use something you’ve learned there, it helped you learn something more advanced that you’ll use later for life in general, not for jobs only. What if you decide to keep working with your dad for the rest of your life? You’ll not use networking and so on but will need to know how a body works.

I think you’ve got my point, but i agree with some of these skills!

Michael@ Awareness * Connection says on August 16th, 2008 at 11:44 pm

I like your suggestions. Nice concept for a piece. The book links are very handy. Lots of my favorites, as a therapist, are in there (e.g. When I Say No I Feel Guilty). I disagree pretty strongly with half of one. Books on tape—Good call. Speed reading—very questionable. There is a pretty direct trade off between reading speed and comprehension. Vocabulary building, study and reading comprehension skills and critical thinking skills are much better investments of time. The speed reading genre is rampant with charlatans with loads of anecdotal evidence and poorly controlled studies to support their claims and pocket your money. Some are more legit than others, but buyer beware in that market.

berto says on August 17th, 2008 at 1:35 am

what are you getting money for the clicks?…psst. you suck.

Pearl Alexander says on August 17th, 2008 at 2:36 am

I love it; a writer who claims English class was pointless.

If most of what you learned in college was how to talk to girls, that’s you’re own problem, not the policy makers’.

dobbsfox says on August 17th, 2008 at 8:39 am

I think this is an excellent list. It’s amazing to me how few people in the ultimate capitalist society know how to be good capitalists.

I would add one more thing – knowing how to write effective business documents like memos, e-mails, reports, CVs, proposals, thank-you notes, etc. This is a vital communication skill many workers sorely lack.

Online hry says on August 17th, 2008 at 11:18 am

One word. Thanks.

Aeroshift says on August 17th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

I never really liked or trusted the school system. But when reading this, it seems like school is just a place to learn useless things. You can learn everything without going to school honestly.

James Bond - 007 says on August 18th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

One course I would’ve loved to have taken in University is “Philosophy 101 – Critical Thinking” as I find myself always reading comments of an article to see what I should think about it.

Having our own conclusions would be much more beneficial instead of being taught to take in whatever information was given to us from our teachers and automatically believe it as correct or legit – some doubt would be much better to have than complete trust into someone else’s thoughts/opinions(without knowing their sources of information). Students in my old High School class would take some dirty looks when questioning or doubting the teachers.

Again – like someone else has mentioned – parenting is the LARGEST part of a child’s life, and much of the learning process should be done from their side. Having public education and the lack of a tutor would lose out on the personal aspect of teaching – it’s unreasonable to think that a teacher will be able to learn everything about their students and teach them what they need to know individually.

Deneen says on August 19th, 2008 at 8:33 am

The other thing they do not teach you in school is how to grow in your relationship with God, knowledge of which would inform and prosper every other aspect of your life.

Brian Armstrong (StartBreakingFree.com) says on August 19th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

@Deneen – I would have to disagree with you on that one, I don’t think matters of faith have any place in school

web design company says on August 19th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

>The history, English, philosophy, and physics? Aside from giving me a general understanding of the world and making me sound smart at cocktail parties, I can’t think of anything in there that I really use on a day to day basis. That’s problematic. The problem, of course, is that these things, for the most part, aren’t being taught in a way that makes them dynamic and applicable in daily life.

tjkuhn says on August 19th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

Excellent article, Brian.

Best,

TJK

Deneen says on August 20th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Dear Brian
I enjoyed your article.
But the point of it I take it was to discuss how schools do not teach students all the important things they need to learn. And as a Christian I must say that the importance of a relationship with God are one of those things.
I disagree with you in saying that faith has no place in school. When you talk about matters that are essential to life nothing is more essential than growing in a relationship with God. Students have minds to think, and one of the things they should feel free to think about are matters of faith.

Felipe Contreras says on August 22nd, 2008 at 7:13 pm

I read your article but you lost me with:

President Bush didn’t get the best grades at Princeton, but boy did he know how to network, and look where that got him.

Does it really makes sense to follow a strategy of such a dreadful person?

I agree that all those skills are important to be successful, but is that something that everyone should strive for?

In a society where networking means more than merit should you improve your networking or try to change the society? I would say the later.

And in order to fully understand this idea I recommend the book Fountainhead.

vaughn says on August 24th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

I don’t agree. If it is essential to have money, go for it. If it is essential to be happy, don’t read this article.

Alessandra Tussi says on August 25th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

Wonderful! I linked your post in my blog. Your post is very useful specially in my case (as a teacher and a marketing professional).

Matt says on August 25th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

President Bush went to Yale, not Princeton.

Watcher says on August 31st, 2008 at 10:14 am

What a load of complete rubbish.

0/10

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Jonathan Gold says on August 31st, 2008 at 9:07 pm

Wow, you just summarised pretty much every area of self development I’ve been reading about over the past year or so, nice one.

I’d say How To Win Friends is the holy grail of books you should have read at school though, it absolutely blew my mind when I first read it.

K says on October 12th, 2008 at 9:08 am

Good article, but there’s a lot of things they don’t teach you in schools. I’ve done the art school and they taught us various things, except how to paint or at least how to sell your work, in case you learn that yourself. One extra degree in my collection, yay..

eric says on October 15th, 2008 at 5:16 am

I think your list of skills overlooked by the education system are valid arguments, both for you as well as the rebuttal by a few regarding it being the parents’ or business institute’s responsibility. I am in fact catching up on some of the books you mentioned because they are useful no matter how it is looked at.

The one I feel you mentioned that is the most important as well as valid is the comment on building on ideas. The facilitation of free thought sort of exists in college but unfortunately not in high school, where as one poster pointed out, a high school grad might go on to work for the family and never see college, failing to get that vital skill.

I think trends and molds should be more strongly discouraged in high school and college years as to facilitate great ideas that someone might be too embarassed otherwise to take credit for having. Forced patriotism in history classes prevents one from raising the ‘what if’ or ‘how could they’ questions and begins the submissive acceptance phase in life. Forced learning of sexual eduaction stresses clearly what all the good body parts are, but as you mentioned, never stresses how to handle situations with the opposite sex, making us all horny robots pretty much.

In summary, although this comment might not have been what you were aiming for or ever help anyone get bills paid, I feel that free thought and idea creation is the most vital skill lacking during those years, and it is the responsibility of teachers, parents, and all peers as well to encourage that. Without it, alot of people may never get to helpful business schools or websites out of pure lack of motivation and we can all bank on society never quite returning to the days where free thinking was once heroic and sexy.

StartBreakingFree.com says on October 15th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

Great comment Eric, an idea that is worthy of a post in and of itself!

Thanks,
Brian

Random says on October 22nd, 2008 at 11:17 am

2 really good books on negociation: Getting to Yes, Is that Your Hand in My Pocket, also for networking: Never Eat Alone.

Tisha says on November 1st, 2008 at 12:06 am

A note about the book How to be Successful in life, I suggest Dear Lover for the ladys, it is writen by the same man who wrote The Way of the Superior Man, its very good. The Way of the Superior Man is also good to understand why men do some of the things they do.

david joseph says on November 5th, 2008 at 10:18 am

We have physically existing parts of brain which deal with numerical, reasoning, social skills etc. Schooling exercises these faculties using lessons as tools so that the mental muscle strengthens and is supple enough to take on the future challenges. Without grasping this basic principle people write it off as a vain effort since we don’t remember the details.

Schooling uses the lessons only as the exercise tools to exercise the mental muscle. The tools are analogous to gym equipment like dumbbells and weights which are used to tone and build body muscle in exercise alone and not elsewhere where the fruit is nevertheless indispensable. So, to say these tools are waste just because we don’t need them now and we forget the details is obviously foolish.

But I strongly feel the lessons at school should be uniform all over the globe and world-class educationists should be assigned the job of creating essential knowledge and courses for all age levels. All the lesson plans and calendars should be done by experts and not by the poor, not so wide read teachers whose task should actually be to follow the expert planned bare minimum steps required to exercise the respective faculties to shape the future of humanity.

Included in this bare enough all level courses, the essential life skills you mentioned again presented in the simplified steps. I think all the children of the world irrespective of region, economic position deserve such barely essential free education and are set free from half brained whimsical local cooked stuff churned out by the profit minded idiots.

The idea is BARE MINIMUM, not more or less!

christopher brown says on November 20th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

I’m interest in this because i have recently done alot of research on this topic. I strongly disagree with you on a few topics. I don’t mena to be a stickler but some of thes thing they do teach in school.
They do teaching investing in college. I learned time management my first year in college. School is all about setting the goals the first is to graduate then followed by the grade you want in each class. ther eare also marketing classes you take. Success can reltaed to a specific goal once you’ve reached it you have success in that are aof your life. Savng and inversting is also taught in college business courses.
Your other point s howeever are great. Like socializing and speed reading these are skills that one has to learn on their own.

StartBreakingFree.com says on November 23rd, 2008 at 5:22 pm

Hi Christopher, thanks for the comment. You are right that it’s possible to find some of these in college courses now. I guess I just wish they were more prevalent since they are so important to success in life…the vast majority of students still end up graduating without learning those skills, even if they are offered at their school. School just seems much more interested in teaching Oedipus and stuff like that then practical information like finance. Valid point though!

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Nicole says on January 1st, 2009 at 3:00 pm

“(Ladies maybe you can recommend a relationship book for women in the comments)”

Seriously?? Because only women care about relationships and/or only women think relationships are a much higher priority than the other topics listed in that section, which are supposedly geared for men? Kind of insulting, very irritating.

Brian Armstrong says on January 2nd, 2009 at 5:43 am

@Nicole – “The Way Of The Superior Man” is a relationship book for men, which I was recommending – I wanted to get the female side too. I can see why you thought that now after re-reading it though, I should have made that more clear.

AJ Kumar says on January 19th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

I agree, the school systems, well most of them, are terrible. I believe self-help and personal development should be taught in school.

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Dodger says on February 13th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

I wouldn’t go as far as saying you are alone in your educational experience, because you are by far not, but I would suggest you look at where you went to school. A lot of schools do teach you the skills you mentioned.

avalerio says on March 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 pm

bush went to yale, fools.

Dream says on March 14th, 2009 at 4:16 am

good info, I will continue to pay attention to it

Dream says on March 24th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

I should have made that more clear.

Lee@TheMillionaireIamcom says on April 17th, 2009 at 8:20 pm

I speak to High School and College students about this all the time…Hope it sinks in.

jimmy says on April 23rd, 2009 at 3:25 am

so difficutly find a list like this,it’s great.you know what’s the methods to see a english arcitle for a Chinese,first ,I must translate it to chinese.so I must look every words and found that at last it’a not correlative.

switch says on April 28th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

Interesting,good infomation,but I am not a student.

mold says on May 5th, 2009 at 3:22 am

It looks very useful,but I don’t like study.maybe I can have a try.

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Twin XL says on May 22nd, 2009 at 10:46 am

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Josh says on June 1st, 2009 at 3:32 am

I think Teachers should actually teach. I even had this problem again in college. I don’t understand what the problem is. Perhaps it’s just the state of Georgia which I always hear is like 50th in the nation. But gosh how do you call yourself a teacher and then just read out of the textbook and assign work? I am very annoyed by the school system and felt it was a complete waste of time. On top of that. I have spent $15k to try to further my education to no avail. The only thing I have learned is that if you want to learn something you have to learn it for yourself. And that I think is a horrible thing we doing for ourselves as people. Parents blame the schools. Schools blame parents. And then when that’s not good enough. You blame the church for not teaching ethics. Makes sense though. Nobody wants to take responsiblity for anything. Well this is why I’m approaching 30 and can’t make it in this world.

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van dealer says on July 30th, 2009 at 7:52 am

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Ryan Scott says on September 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

There’s a lot of defensiveness from teachers here. I don’t know that anyone is criticizing teachers. It’s the school system that’s the problem. The subjects that are taught, and not taught.

Yes you can teach kids socialization by putting them all into various rooms all day, but what kind of socialization is that? Its not guided in any way. There’s no intentionality behind it.

So you end up with bullies, cliques, unpopular kids who tend to be smart and sensitive but are seriously hindered in their ability to negotiate the hostile social environment.

If you want to teach socialization, or anything else for that matter, you need to teach it intentionally, not as something that just ‘happens’. That’s a bunch of crap.

When I’m hiring people fresh out of school, they have very limited skills in the areas I truly need – how to talk to people, even how business works, in *general*. How to get your points across in a clear way. How to think. Really basic stuff! This stuff is not taught, and I’m here to tell you that high school and even college graduates generally do not have these skills.

So everyone can get defensive about this post, but the fact is, school is not producing children that are prepared for the workplace. Period. I don’t need a bunch of unskilled workers – the US doesn’t need them, the world doesn’t need them. We need smart people who can figure things out on the fly, and have the ability to negotiate the world like adults. There is no good reason we can’t do that. In fact, we must.

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